Yine bilindik hikaye…Türkiye’de Kurban Bayramı.
Burada artık yorum yapmaktan kaçınacağım. Bir çok insanın duymak istemeyeceği kadar sert konuşabilirim çünkü.
Bunun yerine sizi aşağıdaki resimlerle başbaşa bırakıyorum…ve bu videoyla.
Türkiye…..2009…..Daha fazla söylenecek bir şey yok….
this is not religion, no god would want this!!!!!!!! its barbaric an cowardly. says alot abt the country…
En kötüsü ne biliyor musunuz?
BU ADAM BÜYÜK BİR İŞ YAPMIŞ OLMANIN VERDİĞİ ACİZ MUTLULUĞU İLE YAŞAYACAK…
Kimse ona bu yaptığının mahiyetini anlatamayacak?
Anlatmaktan kastım şu
Sulh ile uslanmayanı etmeli tekdir,
tekdir ile uslanmayanın hakkı kötektir…
Sulhu da
tekdir i de
köteği de bu adama verecek yok malesef ülkemde…
Belki yüzlerce yıl aynı REZİLLİK aynı UTANÇ yaşanmaya devam edecek ve bizler seyirci kalıcaz…
this is the biggest biggest disgrace this country has to bear.
this is the time i am truly ashamed to say i am turkish.
my apologies to the whole world.
Allah belalarını versin utanıyorum bu insanlardan
ey bu hayvanlara işkence edenler aynı işkencelerle geberin e mi….
sözlerimin tüm sorumluluğunu alıyorum..
those who torture these poor animals, i hope you die by the same tortures…
i take the all responsibility of my words.
SHAME ON MY COUNTRY!! TURKEY!! f*cking idiots!!i wanna punch his ugly face soo bad!
You will burn in hell you moron, and I’ll watch with a smile on my face. He is such a covard who needs to make a show with a knife in his hand.
I’m ashamed of my country and my religion for a such tradition. If god wants us to do this, he can stay out of my way.
Allah belanızı versın ya hıcmı vıcdan merhamet yok kurban boylemı kesılır resmen işkence yav 🙁
Allah belasını versin bunların ! Bunlar ne Müslüman,ne Hristiyan nede Yahudi.Bunlar insanlığın utancı,o hayvanı kesmek için alacağı maksimum tutar 50 lira,insan olana değil 50,1000 lira versen o işkenceyi yapmaz.Hatırlatmakta fayda var,o hayvan mındar olmuş,onu kestiren kişi eğer sevap işlediğini düşünüyorsa,çok yanılıyor !!! İslam bu değil …
videoyu izleyemedim.fotoğraflara bile bakamıyorum. sadece aynı hislere sahip olduğumu bilmenizi istiyorum. Toplumun dayatmasından kaçarak çocukluğumdan kalan alışkanlıkla kendimi odama kapattım. bu ilkel topluluklardan süre gelen usdışı bir inanış. Bunun böylesine uzun bir süre gözardı edilmesinin tek gerekçesi ise herkesin “yanıtı yalnızca tanrı bilir” inanışına bağlanmış olması. Bundan daha saçma bir şey olamaz. insanlarda ki bilgisizlik,korku ve çatışma yüzünden, dünyada açlık,savaş,işkence ve sömürü görüyoruz..bu yüzden düş kırıklığı yaşıyorum.
Tanrı “sevap” adına yapılan bu hareketi görüp onaylar mı? Onaylama ihtimali olsa nasıl bir Tanrı olur ki??Bu insan görünümündeki yaratıklarla aynı alemi paylaşmaktan ötürü çok üzgünüm.
Acı veriyor, ne diyeceğimi bilemiyorum aynı şeyleri kendilerinin bizzat yaşamalarını dilemekten başka…
nasıl bir gaddarlıktır aklım hayalim almıyor. ne diyeceğimi bilemiyorum gerçekten.
böyle bir gaddarlığı gerçekten aciz, ezik ve kompleksleri olan insanlar yapar. insan demeye dilim varmıyor. çok kötü oldum
i wish for this man (if he can be called as a homosapien) will die with the same treat he did to the bull-
umarım bu adam (eger ona adam denilirse) boacıga uyguladığı davranışla ölür..
bu yüzden insan dışındaki tüm varlıkları insanlardan daha çok seviyorum ve insanlıgımdan utanıyorum böyle şeyleri her gördüğümde.aynı şekilde acı çekerek ölmesini diliyorum.
Bu görüntüyü izleyemem ben ama bir gerçek varki hersene yapılan bu katliamların sonu yok olmayacak ..bu görüntüyü birebir izleyen o küçücük çocuklar daha sonra büyüyünce karşımıza ya bir tinerci ya bir katil yada problemli acımasız birer yaratık olarak çıkıyorlar ..acımasızlığı ta küçük yaşta alıyorlar ..
Mustafa, I will not tolerate this kind of comments in this blog. As for the Spanish comment you are right, WE, Spanish, as a nation, are a shame.
Bu konuda herhangi bir şey söylediğinizi görmemek beni hakkınızda kötü düşünmeye sevkediyordu ki bu yazınızı gördüm.
Bu konuda bu insanları ikna etmek, yaptıklarının yanlış ve aptalca olduğunu, başka canlılar üzerinden ibadet yapmanın iğrençliğini onlara anlatmak mümkün gibi değil. Belki daha sakin, dinlemeyi bilenlere anlatılabilir. Bu kişileri uzlaşmacı yöntemlerle ikna etmek yıllar alır ki bu yıllar bunca canın katledilmesi anlamına gelir.
Yani ben sizin canınızın kıymetini bilirken siz de başka canların kanının kokusu içinde kendinizden mi geçeceksiniz?
Şunları bilin ki onlar da korkuyu hisseder, onların da canı yanar, onlar da en az sizin kadar özgür olma hakkına sahip ve onlar size asla böyle bişey yapmaz…
Ah dedim izlerken o boğa bir an kurtulabilse de şu caniye son kalan gücü ile boynuzlarını geçirebilse.
http://w9.gazetevatan.com/haberdetay.asp?detay=Ilk_kurban_telefini_verdik&tarih=28.11.2009&Newsid=273126&Categoryid=7
Bu linkteki haberde belediye boğaya tabanca ile iğne fırlatarak sahipleri istemediği halde boğayı öldürüyor…
Bu olayla ilgili aşağıda verdiğim linkte 6 fotoğraf var hepsi iç acıyıcı ve insan ırkı olarak ne kadar dibe vurduğmuzun göstergesi,gerçekten fotoğraflara bakınca insan kendini zor tutuyor,birşeyler yapmamız lazım,gelecek sene aynı görüntüler artık yaşanmasın…
http://www.milliyet.com.tr/Yasam/SonDakika.aspx?aType=SonDakika&ArticleID=1167105&Date=28.11.2009&b=Bogaya%20yapilan%20akilalmaz%20iskenceye%20tepki%20yagiyor&KategoriID=15
Çok üzücü ve iç acıtıcı yürek burkan bir haber izlerken ağlamamak için kendimi zor tuttum,yazıklar olsun bu hayvanlara bu işkenceleri yapanlar umarım aynı şekilde işkence çekerek öldürülürler,ey Tanrım duy sesimi ver şunların cezasını yaptıkları yanlarına kar kalmasın,ölmek istesinler ama ölemesinler onlara öyle bir işkence çektir öyle hastalıklar yükle ki bu dünyada cehennemi yaşasınlar!!!
bunlar birde yanlarına kalıyor. yazıklar olsun, biz 3. dünya ülkesi bile olamayız
Şidete uğramış bir insan olarak herne kadar şiddet karşıtı olsam da bu görüntüler karşısında uygulayıcularına karşı rahatlıkla şiddet uygulayabileceğim duygusuna kapılıyor ve insanlığımdan utanıyorum. Korkarım birgün kendimi kaybedicem. Sırf bu yüzden mümküm olduğunca insanlardan uzak bie yerde yaşam peşindeyim. Ama bu bir kaçış, biliyorum. Güçlü bir örgütlülük gerekiyor, bu yaratıklara karşı çok güçlü bir örgüt gerekiyor, başka yolu yok.
“bu kepazeliği seyretmekten bıktık” demekten ileri gidebilecek miyiz millet olarak?
biraz önce 969TL ceza kesilmiş diye okudum bir yerde. manevi tazminat davası açmak mümkün değil mi?
evet bunlar insan degil,canavar.. evet bu bizim icin buyuk bir utanc kaynagi.. bu tuyler urpertici korku filmlerinde izledigimiz sahnelerden daha korkunc cunku bir de etrafta izleyenler var iskenceyi…
peki anlamiyorum;bu nasil cezasiz kalabiliyor?! nasil oradaki zabita/polis buna seyirci olabiliyor? neden dunya hizla degisirken biz yillardir her sene ayni goruntuleri tekrar tekrar izliyoruz?! birseyler yapamaz miyiz?
insanların kutsal saydıkları gunleri mekanları ve inancları vardır ama gelin görün ki çağımız bu kutsal sayılan günlerin , mekanların , inançların kavramların tamamen tüketilmesine yönelik işleyen bir mekanizma halini aldı herkeste bir vurdum duymazlık herkeste bir abartı var…. kurban bayramı müslümanlar için önemli bir gün çoğu toplumda olduğu gibi müslümanlarda da kurban etme şeklinde bir ibadet var ve buna karşı değilim…. kızdığım nokta kendisini bu dinin hamisi olarak gören iktidarın bu olaya seyirci kalması kurban pazarlarında yapılan vahşetin zabıta birimlerince izlenmesi…. evet bizler ne yapıyoruz bu vahşeti izliyoruz… kendi içimizden söyleniyoruz ama medeni dediğimiz şekilde kurban kesilmesi için çaba sarfetmiyoruz ya da kurban bayramı dısında mezbahalardaki içler acısı durumu görmezden geliyoruz gidiyoruz kasaptan etimizi alıyoruz ve afiyetle yiyoruz ya sonra…. artık ilkelenme inisiyatif alma zamanımız gelmedi mi
kurban kesilsin ona sözüm olamaz çünkü inançtır ama adam gibi kesilsin ve hersene sayısız hayvan acı cekmesin ya da bu sene oldugu gibi 2000 salak insan kendini yaralamasın…. artık buna bir dur diyelim….
Vikki.. to speak about one country is pretty petty. You can’t blame a whole nation for a small minded man. I have lived a few countries and wow there is always someone who has no brain. I live and work in Turkey and they as a nation are more respectful than North America. I am from North America and love my Country and I have see some pretty bad stuff when it comes to the annual Hunting season…
It’s Viktor.
Yesterday morning 2.000.000 animals died sacrificed in pretty much the same way you saw in that video…
Two million. Rivers of Blood. A true shame.
Best
Viktor,
I support your efforts to save animals, and find shelter for them.
However, it’s idiotic to blame the whole country and religion because of a couple of idiots. These people you see on TV are IDIOTS who are mistreating an animal and missing the whole point of Kurban! Islam requires rich people to sacrifice an animal in a very humane way (close the animal’s eyes so it wouldn’t see the knife and feel the fear of death; it goes with prayers so there is a meaning of its death, and it’s neck is cut with the sharpest knife so that it’s life can be ended swiftly in order to make sure it wouldn’t suffer long through the slaughter) and share the meat with poor. I think it is a very holy (as its real meaning) and helpful tool to remind people to remember the poor.
Every year this stupid argument about Kurban Bayrami just shows total ignorance and diminish other efforts for the animals that are really abused. If you are eating meat, what is the difference for you if an animal killed on Kurban Bayrami? That is goes with prayers instead of slaughtered in a factory unhumanely (Have you seen the sluaghter house videos on Youtube)? That it, at least, died for a meaningful reason rather than just to feed rich who can buy it from the market but don’t remember to share with the poor? Why it is OK to eat hundreds of thousands of turkeys (that are sluaghtered for your rich friends) on Thanksgiving but not OK to eat cows on Kurban Bayrami that also feed poor? What is your point exactly? I say stop this argument already; it doesn’t make any sense and you are just taking your eyes off of the real problems of animals.
Ozlem… you entirely miss the point of the whole debate. I suggest you go to my last post on the issue.
Ozlem, if you really want to help the poor you have much better ways to do this.
Let me know if interested and I will make a list of 10 meaningful actions to help alleviate poverty without slaughtering an animal on the streets.
and one last comment (I will be done after that)…
Today we have rehomed a paralyzed cat. Sunday, just before breakfast. We are not loosing any perspective.
So that’s what I have done.
What have YOU done?
BTW – Those 2 million animals were going to die in the next month in a slaughter house anyway and you and I were going to eat it!!!! What is the shame in this?
Maybe you were going to eat them… not me. I’m a vegan.
And who are you Viktor Larkhill? Why are you dumping this religious matter on Turkiye? What is your real intentions? I am pretty sure you will delete my views because it’s obvious that “amacin bagciyi dovmek, uzum yemek degil”!!!!
Ozlem, I am approving your comment.
Note that I didn’t make any comments on the video. Simply reposted it as CNN Turk did.
As for who I am: http://blog.myletsadopt.com/viktor-larkhill-kimdir-who-is-viktor-larkhill
For further views on this issue:
http://blog.myletsadopt.com/2009/11/28/ispanya-turkiye-ve-nepalin-ortak-noktasi-nedir/
http://blog.myletsadopt.com/2009/11/28/what-do-spain-turkey-and-nepal-have-in-common/
Regards
bu mu bayram kimseler kusura bakmasın ama ben bunu katliam olarak görüyorum.hayvanlara yapılan işkenceyi,ölümü bi bayram havasında kutluyamayacak kadar vicdanlıyım!!
Allah belanızı versin aşağılık herifler o zavallı hayvancağızı allah yarattı zavallı hayvanı kafasından direğe bağlayıp canlı canlı kesmek ne demek ulan!lanet olası pislikler…umarım sende aynı şekilde geberirsin cani pislik bunu yapan insansa ben insan değilim, bunları yapanlar müslümansa be müslüman hiç değilim cahil cühela ordusu,bu salak bu ülkede oy kullanıyor ve bu ülkeye belki çocuk yetiştiriyor…eee tabi bunun seçtiği adamlar uçak apronunda deve keserse tabi o da böyle yapar,yazıklar olsun orada seyredenlere ve bir şey yapmayanlara da,yazıklar olsun
This isn’t personal… So, don’t try to make it personal by asking personal questions. I do my part without blaming anyone. I couldn’t even watched that video; it’s too cruel; I only know what is in it by the comments underneath it.
Do you think you being vegetarian gives you the right to ask all Turkish people (for some reason it’s only Turkish people depending on your blog) to become vegetarian of all a sudden? Hope not, but if so do you realize what are you really asking for? I cannot see any connection helping abused or homeless animals vs. advocating vegetarianism anyway.
Let me be more clear… Why am I reacting to your blog because I am all confused by it’s (your?) suggestions. If it’s not too much trouble could you please answer these for me?:
1- All muslim countries do practice the same ritual. Why only Turkey mentioned?
2- Why, also, Turkey named with Spain and Nepal? Spain kills animals slowly (simply torture) for pleasure. How come it is considered the same thing what Muslim world does (particularly, Turkey as suggested in the blog)? How come motives don’t matter?
3- If this blog really cares about the animals, why it is hurting its own cause by making misleading suggestions? To me, putting that video is just judging the book by its cover. (CNN Turk didn’t do a good job as a media, but you used it, thus endorsed it) That stupid person cannot represent the whole nation. What’s the point of taking the eye off of the real issues and going after the whole country and its people? I can’t see how this is going to be any of help to the cause?
4- Creating awareness, educating people and helping animals are one thing, claiming that “all Turkish people are some kind of monsters who kills animals for “fun” and only Turkey does this, not the rest of the muslim world” is another thing. This is what you are suggesting with the title “what do Spain Turkey and Nepal have in common?”, right? It’s simply misleading and damaging a nation for no reason. And this can only create polarization, it hurts the cause… See, I am already against this blog, although I am for animal rights. Irony!
5- Going extreme, being provocative never helped a cause or group for any event throughout the history, and it will not help animals that are really abused and/or killed for no reason in the streets of Turkey, either. Please consider saving them first before going after poor people’s meat. (Yes, there are other ways to help the poor. If you can arrange some of them, would be great! Maybe this way, Turkish would stop doing what they are doing under the God’s name. Or eating meat afterall.) Create channels, show other ways, arrange events, educate, instead of putting a blame on and getting agnry about it. You want the cause to be understood, not alienated. You want cooperation, compassion, sympathy towards the cause from the public, not the otherwise, right?
We have to know our boundaries and ground, if we really want to be effective on this cause or any other. If this blog chose to act this way, then it will certainly hurt the cause. Because people will get defensive, there will be needless fights, and street animals will continue to suffer and get killed by the municipals, etc. in Turkey.
But, hey what do I know… I am just one person who happens to think education and cooperation makes a real difference rather than putting a blame on a nation or declaring war against 2 million families… Pick a fight that you can win, know your aim, have a real goal, go step by step, create awareness; this way you can really help animals.
PS: I took the full liberty to comment on your blog, since you made it public. No hard feelings. :))) Thanks for the great discussion opppurtunity.
Let me reply quickly, need to go rescue a dog.
1 and 2. I have not only mentioned Turkey… I have mention just about every other country, by selecting Spain (Christian), Turkey (Muslim) and Nepal (Hindu) I covered just about every other country in the world..
If you want to have a full list of countries pls go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
3. You seem to be the only one who thinks my suggestions are misleading.
4. You are not getting the point. Read the article again. It is not about muslim religion in particular. Spain is not the only christian country in the world..
5. Animals abused or killed in the streets of Turkey? oh my god! really? where? . People that get defensive should look at their own motives.
You seem to have a problem with people expressing their opinions and views… from me, a humble blogger, to CNN Turk, to just about anyone commenting in this blog. I guess it would have been better to blog about Angelina Jolie instead of this Kurban atrocity… so I guess I ll leave it to people to comment on your post.
No hard feelings.
Ananın amına koyim. insanmısın lan sen oruspu cocugu. senın gibi yaratiği gebertene kadar dövmek lazım.allah hepsinin cezasını versin gebersin pislik heri ben onu elime geçirsem yaptıklarını ona yapardım.
Sure. I am the only one who gets your suggestions wrong. If that’s going to make you happy, no problem, you believe in that. (Me reacting your implications doesn’t mean that I am the only one who thinks the same way; it only means that I am the only one who cares enough to respond to it)… First, you should understand that.
Well, pity on me! I am the one who enjoy Angelina Jolie news, nothing else. You got that right, mister! That’s why I am writing on your blog back and forth, spending time to make a point because I enjoy not helping this cause! Are you serious?!?!?! Again, you are going personal and blaming somebody else who is giving you another perspective. If you are who you are as you told us in your profile page, then you should know muuuchhh better, Viktor. Like it or not, I am giving you a good advice. Try to see and understand other’s views. You don’t need to get defensive. All I am saying is that you should work with your people…
I am very disappointed with your reactions (But who cares, right?!). This is my last response to you… You have a long way to go… Good luck!
I work with my people.
Özlem Hanımefendi
sizin gibi insanların giderek azalmasını ve sonunda yok olmasını tüm kalbimle diliyorum…..
Müslümalıgına devam et..Hacca gitmeyi de unutma.
Öyle mini etekler, kotlar, topuklular giyerek müslüman olunmuyor, önce müslüman ol; madem çok heveslisin kurban kesmeye, sonra afranı tafranı , artistliğini yaparsın.
Ozlem
1 Haklisin butun musluman ulkelerde bu bayram kutlaniyor. Ama biz Turkiyede yasiyoruz dilerim bu sacmaliga herkez son verir. Turkiyede yasanan kurban bayramindaki belki tek degisiklik insanlarin fakirlere et dagitimindan baska kredi kartlarina borclanarak kurban kesmeleri bu isin asil amacini saptirmiyormu sizce.
2.Bizler sadece Turkiye Ispanya degil Kore Cin gibi butun ulkelerde yapilan hayvan zulumlerine karsiyiz. Elimizden geldigi kadar hangi ulkede olursa olsun hayvanlara yapilan iskenceleri kiniyor imzalar topluyoruz.
3.Mutlaka bu konuda haklisiniz. Bu videodaki insan, Turk insanlarinin Turkiyenin temsilcisi degildir. Bu video buraya insanlari bilinclendirmek icin koyulmustur. Turkiyede yasayip hayvanlari koruyan kurtaran binlerce yuzbinlerce insani bu videodaki insan disi yaratikla ayni tutmuyoruz. Videonun amaci insanlari bilgilendirmekdir.
5. Ozlem bu kanuda cok yanlissin. Malesef Turkiyede kesilen kurbanlarin buyuk bir cogu kendi masalarinda yada akraba es dost tarafindan tuketiliyor. Fakirlerin masasina gitmiyor. Eger fakirlere gercekden yardim amaci varsa neden onlara kurban karsiligi para verilmiyor. Herhalde et yemekden daha cok paraya ihtiyaclari vardir ne dersiniz.
Ozlem hanim elimizden geldigi kadar kisilere karsi degil yapilan olaylara karsi ugrasmakdayiz. Turkler Muslumanlar diye birsey degil savasimiz. Hayvanlara yapilan iskenceler. Mutlaka her insanin vejiteryan olmasi bir ruya bizler icin. hayvanlarin iskence gormemesi imkansiz gibi ama bir yerlerden baslamak lazim. Ben vejeteryan oldukdan sonra ailemin teker teker bana katilmasi kadar mutlu edici birsey olmadi hayatimda. Belki yillar surecek hayvanciklarin bu iskencelerden kurtulmalari ama birakmayacagiz sonuna kadar bu savasi
Dediginiz gibi bu yourumlar kisiye kulture veye dinlere karsi degildir. Herkeze acik olan bir blog’da fikir alisverisidir.
Ozlem Hn.,
Killing an animal with a sharp knife and tying eyes for not seeing the knife? Have you watched this process??? I’ll tell you, they know, they really know that they are going to be killed. And that SHARP knife? It hurts like hell believe me. Are you living in Türkiye? Well I am, and I’ve been to so many cities, towns and villages you can’t imagine. Wake up please. I know my country very well
ANIMAL ABUSE??? Yes WE HAVE
ANIMAL ABUSE in Kurban Bayrami??? Yes we have it like HELL!!!
Maybe you are looking in another direction and wearing a pink glass. Take them OFF!
People kill the animals and send the neighbors, meat everywhere and poeple eat too much meat which they don’t need to for their health. Some send to poor for sure, but the number of animals killed, how many sent to poor ones, how many wasted? Maybe 1 million of them were killed for no reason.
Another thing is giving meet to poor is so STUPID. The money you spend to the meat you send to poor family which would last 10 days, would be spent to milk (for kids), pasta, …aternative food which will last 300 days maybe? Do you know what HUNGER is? God gave us brain to think! 1500 years ago people were only eating meat, the AIM in this is explained, “TO HELP THE POOR” Tell me please which one is the real help here??? I’ll tell you, the one with NO KILLING IS NEEDED!!!
The streets animals are going to be killed buy the municipals because of this topic??? Very funny!!
Get contact with Kas Animal Lovers, and ask them what has happened in Kas (Antalya) after Victor made the blog “Killers of Kas”, how many lives saved which were going to be killed by the municipality, and then ask Victor what sacrifice did he gave? They will tell you that Victor won a victory that even they couldn’t believe. Are you fighting against the municipality for their killings? Did you came to the 2 protests of 55 plus the 15, 70 puppies killed in HASDAL with a LIE of Rabid?? I’m asking this because you are the one telling what to do here so let us know what you do, I personally want to know about your experiences. You sound very experienced.
And your post :
“And who are you Viktor Larkhill? Why are you dumping this religious matter on Turkiye? What is your real intentions? I am pretty sure you will delete my views ” Guess what?? You are not deleted and this is PERSONAL Ozlem, you are calling Victor a SNAKE and a LIER.
What has he done to deserve such an assault?
You are living in this country like me but you have no idea of animal abuse in this Country. If you can’t see the truth, you can’t change anything.
Take Care
Che’nk
i read the “comments” above and once more am ashamed of my kind. i understand the mentality that says “people has to eat meat to survive”. it is the way we are brought up. i was brought up this way. about 10 years ago, i decided to become a vegan but had to face a direct and strong rejection from my parents. “limited visions”. today, i am smarter. as for killings in the name of “god” (careful, i said “god”, i did not mean any religion in particular.) i try to respect everybody’s views and beliefs but what i wonder is what makes you so sure that you’ll end up in “heaven” by killing? think about the “dark ages” when the church was selling “land titles in heaven” and people were falling for it! no need to give a history lecture here but to be honest, i haven’t seen or heard of anyone spending his summer holiday in his “villa in heaven” and come back in winter… we live in this world. it is here. practical. concrete. and if you take the slightest look on the scene, you’ll see that what pours out from the cut veins of the defenseless animal is nothing but pure blood (and pain, if you have the capacity to feel it). it is nothing from the “other side”. besides, if you are the “superior” being of the universe as “the human”, why do you fear of a single animal that much? it is just an animal “granted” to you to kill. why do you feel the need to protect yourself? you are the one with the knife. you are the one “entitled to kill”. how come an “armed master” is afraid of his “subject”???
if these killings are to help (i mean sharing the meat with the poor/needy), first sit down and think. but pls do it with your brain this time. the meat will be digested within 24 hours at the latest and the poor will still be starving afterwards or be in need of some vital things, such as medical help etc. but of course, going to a slaughterhouse, taking your credit card out of your purse and ordering “kill!” is the easiest way to “commit a good deed”. but on the other hand, to care for a person in need, you need to get up, move and “sacrifice your comforts” a little… this is not helping, this is showing off.
i agree that the people in the video are “not the whole”. maybe they are not. BUT if you sit silent and accept the crime as a “single unfortunate incident”, you are no different from that “idiot”. even worse!!! even more pathetic!!!
yes, i do have a belief too. i believe in life. the right to live. the equal right of living that every creature has. some people’s understanding is to kill and enjoy the bloody scene but mine is a bit harder… it takes time and effort. i believe in saving and rescuing. my interpretation of “helping” is giving life, not taking it (which i do not have the right to). no matter for what excuse.
You obviously have too much time in your hands.
God sent the sacrifical sheep to Abraham to stop him from killing his own son. This doesn’t mean there is an open season on killing the creatures of God.
Two memories from my childhood, which was too long ago…
My nanny, who was my father’s nanny first, and who was 100 years old the year I was born, was one of the wisest persons I’ve ever had the privilege of knowing, and one of the major ‘shapers’ of my life. One day – I must have been 3 or 4, I saw a frog in the garden. There was a brick at the side of the path, I picked it up and dropped it on the frog, smashing it absolutely flat. Then I picked it up by one foot, and took it to show my nanny. She took one look, nodded, and said, “Ok, now give it back its life.” I was shocked. I didn’t know what to do. I asked her how I could do that, and she told me she didn’t know. Then she said something that changed my life forever, that has shaped – I hope – who I am today. She said, “Never take something that you can’t give back!” Ponder that for a while.
Second memory… I was a curious child, but the old fashioned, authoritarian household I grew up in wasn’t very keen on answering questions. So I explored. On the first day of Kurban I was forbidden to go to a certain part of the garden. I knew that that was where the sheep I had been feeding for the past 15 days or so would be killed, but I didn’t know how, and the sight was considered too gory for my tender years. The year I was 7, I sneaked out of the house before everybody else, climbed into the branches of the mulberry tree right above the designated slaughter area, hid myself among the leaves and waited.
They brought out the first sheep – there were four that year. They put it down on its side, and tied three of its legs together. Then they tied a scarf over its eyes. The sheep was struggling and bleating, it didn’t need to see the knife to feel that something was wrong. Then they made a cut in its neck, in the main artery. Blood spurted out, ran into the ground, staining everything red. They waited for perhaps two or three minutes, it seems killing the animal instantly is not desirable, its blood should run. I was crying, just as I am now as I write this, and biting my hands so I wouldn’t make a sound. The movements of the sheep became sluggish, its bleating got weaker. Then they severed its head from its body, and hung it up by its legs in my tree, which is when they saw me. It was fortunate, because I don’t think I could have watched the same thing three times more. My nanny held me in her arms as I cried, and said, “Life is not always what we want it to be…”
I was told the story of Abraham, how God had sent him a ram to sacrifice, how it was required, how it was to help the poor, and so on, and so forth… To be honest, my grandfather really did send nearly all the meat to truly poor families, not neighbors. But I never played with the sheep that appeared in the garden two weeks before Kurban, ever again.
Maybe I was a bit too graphic in my descriptions. If I shocked you, I’m glad, that was my intention. The end does not always justify the means. If you want to help poor people, you can give them rice, beans, money, whatever, or better still, try to find a way to help them earn money. I do not think that the compassionate, loving God of my religion condones or promotes killing, He even says that the blood of those sacrifices does not reach Him.
One last word for Özlem: praying over your victim does not change the fact of its killing – it still ends up dead. And please remember, the road to hell is paved with good intentions!
Why is my last comment deleted again?
Because this community has had enough of listening to your ramblings.
Dear Viktor,
I see you changed your profile picture; the new ones are lovely. Really glad to see that you are a rational person and I was able help to show you my point. And I strongly believe you know, I was not rambling anything (at least that wasn’t my intentions). We need to keep in mind it’s nice and necessary to hear other voices, even if you don’t agree with or like them.
Best,
Ozlem