Letter to Lara Sayinsoy
This is the letter I sent yesterday night to Lara Sayinsoy, the adoptant of Bertha.
I believe it our members should read it to understand what I must go through whilst dealing with people.
Enjoy…
Lara,
Went to your home and found Bertha in the crate.
She was going crazy, wanted to get out. I wonder how would you have felt if someone stuck you inside a box.
Bertha has lost two kilos in 10 days.
We fought so hard to make her gain weight and recover her health and she has lost two kilos whilst on your watch.
Thanks for the 200 liras but I cannot accept your money. I will be dropping it on an envelope and leave it at security over the weekend. If you want to do anything for the dogs I suggest you buy some food and feed the dogs in the forest yourself.
Whatever you do.. pls… dont ever get a dog.. and if you MUST absolutely get one pls forget about crate training. The way you do it is inhumane. No wonder your previous dog ate your house, the poor animal must have been desperate.
You have absolutely no clue about dogs. To you dogs are objects, possessions, mere complements to your house and garden.
I am disappointed with myself for having entrusted Bertha to you. I should have listened to my instincts and not break my rules for adoption.
Money is not everything. I hope one day you will learn the real meaning of animal love.
Good luck.
Hello Ivan,
I am very sorry about your mail but frankly I was expecting it. When you brought Bertha you didnt even bother telling me that she was having pancreas problems and needed medication daily. I just thought it was a mistake on your part and didn’t think much about it. Then I fed Bertha everyday a raw chicken. She was in the crate when you came to pick her up because my son was just outside and as I told you before I could no longer let them be together especially when I was not home. We started to let her
Out of the crate just after Daniel enters the house because she kept jumping on him and hurting him. One time she clawed his face and two days ago she ripped his pants and jacket to pieces. So I guess I am guilty for thinking of my son before Bertha!!!! Well sorry but that is the way I am because I am a mother. Maybe one day you will understand.
Lara, that is a lie (falsehood, bullshit, you choose the word that suits you best).
You and your husband were informed of the situation (the entire Let's Adopt community knew about it). You were provided with her pills and were instructed on how to medicate her. You were also told that her situation was transitory as her recovery and prognosis was excellent.
Your husband is witness to this.
As I said, this is all my fault. I should not given you Bertha, or any other dog. I strongly encourage you to place your interest onto another cause. You should not be allowed to have an animal.
Best
Actually dont bring my husband into it because he is furious, yes you brought 4 pills but never did you tell me about it before hand. But as I said this was not my problem my concern is what you wrote to me afterwards. This is not a cause for me all I wanted was to adopt a dog and when the dog did not get along with my little boy you got upset.
Where is Bertha now?
She is at a pension.
Lara, you were fully informed of the medication and Bertha's illness. During the breakfast you have kindly offered us this is all we spoke about. Before we left we mentioned you the same over and over again. We insisted that she had a metabolical problem due to intense malnutrition and she'd never be a very fat dog. You chose not to listen, now you want to blame us for… I don't know what actually. What do we have to gain from this? You shouldn't ever have a dog. When I saw that you dog actually ate your house and the huge crate on your verandah I had realized that. I thought we had made a mistake but wanted to give you the benefit of doubt. I was wrong. We both were. If there is a mistake it is that we were too happy to see Bertha run and enjoy your garden. The whole idea was wrong from start to finish. We should have trusted our gut feelings, not the momentary joy of poor Bertha.
We have more than 25 animals ourselves and worry about hundreds everyday. Maybe one day you too will understand how that feels but I am not holding my breath.
I cant recommend raw chicken
AARON,
MY BABİES (3CATS & A DOG) LOVE TO FED BY RAW .
ONE OF MY CAT HAS A KIDNEY DISEASE AND SHE İS ALİVE WİTH RAW NOW…ALL THEY HAVE BRİLLİANT HAIR, TEETH AND EYES…
THANKS VERY MUCH TO VIKTOR TO INTRODUCE ME WTH THE RAW DIET…
Well.. all dogs adopted through Let's Adopt are required to be fed raw.
Here is why: ” target=”_blank”>http://blog.myletsadopt.com/2009/11/25/why-lets-a…
Dear Lara,
This is going to sound harsh, but your son was injured by the dog due to your own irresponsibility. Don't blame this on the dog. When introducing a new animal to a home, all interaction between the child and the pet must be supervised at all times. If you do not have voice control of the dog yet, he/she should be kept on a leash when around children so you can correct any behavior. An animal has to get used to being in a new place and get used to the adults before being introduced to children and your son should have been taught how to act when with a dog. As Bertha was new to you, it is unlikely she had learned to listen to you yet, so when you told her to stop or tried to correct her behavior with your son of course she ignored you! Bertha may never have been around kids very much. Kids are often frightening to animals because they are louder, move faster and more erratically than adults. And who knows what bad things may have happened to Bertha at the hands of little boys in the street. What happened with Bertha could have happened with any dog or cat you brought into your home because of your own mistakes/negligence.
Although you are not going to be getting another pet through Lets Adopt, you might decide to get another dog or cat. If so, for the sake of your son and the animal, please follow these guidelines:
http://www.petsandkids.co.uk/IntroducingKidsToNew…
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1853555/…
http://www.mychildsafety.net/animal-safety-for-ki…
Stink. Lucky you went to follow up Viktor. Good Letter. Some people will always be hopeless unfortunately.
I just happened upon this situation, but I'm taking Lara's side. Was this dog adopted out to a family with a child without being tested around children first? The attitude of commenters here is that all dogs are 100% angels. There are only "bad owners" and "perfect angel dogs." If the dog is not an angel, it's something the owner did… or didn't do…
Sharon.. entirely my fault. I gave the dog to someone who shouldnt have an animal.
And let me ask you one question… why would you take the side of someone who has shown nothing but arrogance and disdain?
You never met the dog, never met the person, basically, have no idea what happened and here you are taking sides.
Anyway…
It sounds like Bertha is–at the very least–a very bouncy, untrained, unmanageable dog. That's not the kind of dog that should be going to an inexperienced dog-home, especially one with a child. Training this dog is going to be a full-time job for about 2-3 months, and a mother of a young kid doesn't have that kind of time. My other problem is with all you guys screaming about "the crate! the crate! the terrible crate!!!" I can tell you, if everybody here in Turkey learned to use crates in house-training their dogs, there would be a LOT fewer dogs being dumped in shelters. I myself wouldn't dream of adopting a puppy or older dog without a crate. Before crates, dogs in America were kept outdoors in gardens. It was only after the advent of the crate in the 1970's that dogs moved indoors.
Sharon.. Bertha is perfectly ok.
Pls remind me not to allow you to adopt any of our dogs…
The way Lara was using the crate is not the way you are suggesting. I will not make any further comments on this issue.
Any dog I get that isn't housetrained is one of 3 places: crated, on leash with me outdoors, or on leash with me indoors. I have no problem with puppies being crated for 3-4 hours at a time. (They should have access to toys, meaty bones, etc.) In fact, I've seen a link between crate use and eventual freedom. A dog whose owner uses a crate for a couple of months will be able to let that dog out to enjoy freedom for the next 15 years without any problems (peeing, barking, chewing). A dog whose owner doesn't use a crate often has problems with peeing indoors, chewing, etc. for many years, if not for life.
Sharon, Im approving your comments as it is our policy to approve every comment that is not offensive.
However, I am hereby withdrawing the group's endorsement of your training business.
Regarding one comment about "you wouldn't put your kid in a cage," in America, we frequently put our kids in cages. They are called "cribs," "play-pens," "automated swings," etc. It would be nearly impossible for a parent to safely cook, clean, do laundry, take a shower, etc. without being able to restrain a baby for short periods. The same is true of untrained dogs! I'm sure Lara did not raise her son without occasionally putting him in a crib for a rest, and I can't believe you're holding her to some kind of higher standard with an out-of-control dog that she's had for 24 hours!
Shame on you lady..
Lara,
you must not be volunteer from the beginnig for taking care of a dog or you must have told the situation (that you are unsuccesfull to watch a dog) to Viktor before you closed the poor animal into the box..
it's really unbelievable that you would have kept on this sanity if V didnt come and rescue Bertha…
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Lara,____you must not be volunteer from the beginnig for taking care of a dog or you must have told the situation (that you are unsuccesfull to watch a dog) to Viktor before you closed the poor animal into the box..__it's really unbelievable that you would have kept on this sanity if V didnt come and rescue Bertha…__!!!
I was really wondering what Lara had to say on the subject. Her one and only excuse is that she is a mother!!! Well Lara, you still are a mother. With or without Bertha. You should have considered everything (I mean every single little tiny bit of detail) before putting Bertha in all that suffering. She is a living creature, like your son. She feels, like your son. She hurts, like your son. And she definitely did not deserve this. If you could have acted logically, your son would be growing up with the best of the friends healthily and happily. If being a mother is/means/equals hurting another soul just for the sake of another, then I demand to be neutered.
Let’s just “imagine” that you had no idea of Bertha’s medical condition when you took her. Why on earth then did you insist on keeping her? You could have just picked up the phone, dialed Ivan or Fulya and say “Hey. This dog is sick. Too much trouble. And I don’t want to deal with it!” This would not look not good, I agree. But locking a dog in a crate is not even close to “good”!!! That is pure evil, inhumane. There is always a way out if you want to find it.
I have 6 cats at home. 2 paralysed. And yes, they did pee in my house. Right on my favorite carpet. On my bed. On my lap. One ate my furniture. From every place and corner you can imagine in a house, I cleaned up shit, urine and vomit of sick animals. So what??? If you say “yes” to help an animal, do it right. But if you realize you cannot do so, please let the animal go. Don’t torture the creature just to get some applause.
I understand that sometimes things do not go as they have been planned. Accidents happen. Animals get hurt, just like humans do. They get paralysed, sick, wounded or end up dead sometimes. But when these “accidents” are intentionally human-made, there is no explanation/excuse for that. At least be man enough to let the animal go.
Cagri.. she did just that.. she wanted to return her 24 hours later but upon speaking to our vet and he explaining that she was not sick but just needed some pills for the time being she decided to keep her.
My first impulse was to get the dog right away but then she insisted in keeping her.
A week later I received an email just telling me come pick up the dog.. and what I got there I found her on a fucking crate!
So that's the way Lara handles dogs… a great animal lover that one.
Wonderful woman all around.
Ah… she wrote to me asking for the 200 liras back, but you know what? I have changed my mind. Im going to give 100 lira to a poor elderly woman down the road, she has nothing, at least this will make her day! 🙂 Will publish pics so that everyone can see where that shitty money went.
did she really want the money back???
I am embrassed here instead of her !!!!!
What part of the dog hurt my kid dont you get??? I put her in a crate not on,for 15 minutes twice for one day!!! and then called you right away because didnt want her to live like that.
Sandıkta tutmak korkunç bir şey…nasıl akla gelir anlıyamıyorum.Anne olduğum için,çocuğuma, öncelik tanımam doğal demiş…acaba 2 çocuk olsaydı da biri hiperaktif olaydı,diğerini korumak için,öbürünü sandiğa mı kapatırdı? Ancak bu kadarcık akıllı bir çözüm mü üretebilmiş ? Anladığım şu ki, Bertha'ı hiç sevmemiş, onun adına hiç zahmete girmemiş bile…umuru olmamış.Atmış sandığa…tıpkı çocuğunun oyuncak köpeğini atabileceği rahatlıkla!!
İnanılır gibi değil ! Bu davranış beni çok öfkelendirdi…Talip olup da,sorumsuzca davrananlar beni en çok kızdıranlar oluyor…Bencilce,sorumsuzca ,muhabbetsizce,akılsızca davrananları,hiç affedemiyorum.Çünki, o zaman,baştan hiç bu işlere kalkışma…Ağzı var dli yok zavallı hayvanlara hiç,bulaşma…sadece çocuğunu büyüt….kimseyi de sıkıntıya sokma…
Ben gerçekten,birkaç çocuğu olanların,herbirine nasıl,eşit muhabbet ve farklı beğeni duyabileceklerini, birkaç hayvanım olduktan sonra,çok iyi anladım!!!
Lara, I myself am a mother , I've always had animals my daughter from me, learned how to deal with animals! But no animal was locked up with me!
This is very sad. The one suffering here is Bertha – once again!
Lara, I hate to tell you, but you sound like the person who usually shops at pet stores. 'Ohhhh look how cute…lets get it'. Once problems arise, the animal is being dumped. It happens around the world, every day.
When you adopted Bertha, you accepted a new member of your tribe. Would you have put your kid into a crate because he didn't know yet how to interact with Bertha?
Crating is a great tool, but just stuffing a previously traumatized in a box and leave him there for hours, is not crate training. It's punishment. What was Bertha punished for? Being excited and loving your child? Are you THAT single minded that you couldn't come up with more creative solutions (like 'DUH' dog training for the whole family), than stuffing Bertha in a crate?
PLEASE, if this is the only thing you hear of what Ivan said:
DO NOT GET ANOTHER ANIMAL!!!
Be a mother first as you said, and raise your child to respect animals.
But don't get another animal and teach your child it's OK to stuff it in a
box when it becomes an inconvenience.
I'm sorry ……
for Bertha!!
We'll work even harder now to find Bertha's home. The one she can finally settle down and have some peace.
Burada şunu anlamıyorum! Anne olmak? Evet, binlerce, milyonlarca anne var dünyada…Tabii ki herşeyden önce çocuğunuz gelir, bunu sorgulayan yok ki zaten? Sorun bu değil ki? Anneliğinizi, çocuğunuzu korumanızı filan sorguladığımız yok bizim, özellikle benim şu an… Sakın bu yorum bu şekilde algılanmasın derim ben.
Bertha bir japon balığı değil, akvaryumda bütün gün yüzsün dursun. Bir hamster değil kafesindeki çarkta deliler gibi koşuşsun… Gerçekten de süper örnek, ne trajik. Bertha bir hamster değil kafeste dursun!!! Bertha bir Çin Pekinez'i değil, bir Chihuahua değil, koyun çantanıza, kolunuzun altına öyle süs gibi dursun, nereye koyarsanız orda kalsın.
Bertha bir Rottweiler! Dünyanın en tatlı, en sevecen, en kuzusu o…evet… Ama bu bir Rottweiler. Cüssesi, ağırlığı, neşeyle size koşup oynamak istediğinde neler olacağı gayet belli. Benim köpeğim 25 kilo civarında, her oyunumuzdan sonra biryerlerim morarır. Neden? Saldiriyor diye mi? Hayır kesinlikle! Hevesle koşturup oyun oynarken bana her koşuşunda o ağırlıkla böyle şeylere neden oluyor. Bu zaten belli değil miydi? Bertha size geldiğinde zaten görmediniz mi? Düşünmediniz mi ikisi oyun oynarken nasıl dururlar yanyana diye? Bertha oğlunuzun gözlerinin içine bakacak, her an ilgi ve sevgiye muhtaç, bunu görmeyi bekleyecek. Oğlunuz her eve geldiğinde sevinçle ona koşacak, yalayıp koklayacak onu. Bunları hiç mi düşünmediniz?
Çocuğunuza neler olabilir söyleyeyim, arada koştururken düşer, biryerleri morarır vs vs…Zaten Bertha yokken de olmuyor mu? Ayrıca Bertha bunlara neden olabilir evet, ama daha fazlasına asla… Sanki ona bilerek korkunç zararlar verebilirmiş gibi anlatıyorsunuz olayı, ki buna inanamıyorum. Bir çocuğun en iyi dostu olacaktır o köpek, onun için düşünmeden ölmeyi göze alacaktır.
Kısa bir sürede birlikte hareket etmeye alışırlardı zaten. Bertha durması gereken çizgiyi bulurdu zaman verseydiniz. Tabii oyunlar oynayacak, tabii yaramazlıklar yapacak. Birşeyler kırılıp dökülecek, benim evimde sürekli olduğu gibi. Çocuğunuz yeni boyattığınız duvarları ispirtolu kalemlerle boyadığında kapının önüne koyar mısınız? Evin içinde koştururken en sevdiğiniz vazoyu kırdı diye onu odasına mı kapatırsınız ya da? Onu da bir kutuya mı koyarsınız!?
İkisini yanyana getirmemek bence en büyük hatanız, o zamanı vermemek. Onları teşvik edip, birbirlerinin birer parçası şeklinde hareket etmelerini sağlamak yerine; o güzelim köpeği, üstelik de hayatı bu kadar zor geçmiş ve mutluluğu gerçekten çok hakeden bir köpeği evinize alıp, güzel anları yaşattıktan sonra kafese mi kapatmaktı çözümünüz? Bravo! Oğlunuza inanılmaz bir örnek teşkil ettiniz! Annesi tarafından eve gelen ve onu çok mutlu eden oyun arkadaşı artık yok… Süper çözüm! Büyüdüğünde ne düşünecek bu zamanı hatırlarsa acaba…yazık…
Hasta oluşu ve ilaç alıyor olmasına yorumunuz da inanılmaz…Evet günlük ilaç alıyor…ee, yani?
Bertha'dan beklediğiniz evinize girer girmez kenarda süs objesi gibi oturup, siz isteyince kalkıp yanınıza gelmesi, siz isteyince gitmesi, siz isteyince kapatıldığı kutuda mutlu olması mıydı gerçekten!? Bir de düğmesi olsun kuralım saatini, kendi kendine besleniversin, onun için de uğraştırmasın, ilacını da otomatik veren bir tüp takalım. Kendi kendine kafesinin içinde nefes alsın, e süper!
Hem böyle bir köpeği, belli ki olabilecekleri düşünmeden, tamamen anlık bir bakış açısıyla evinize ve hayatınıza dahil etmeniz, hem de bunun sonrasında onun bu gayet normal davranışlarını korkunç gibi göstermeniz çok yanlış! Sanki bir sansardan filan bahsediyoruz, çok korkunç gibi…
Zaman, ilgi, sevgi ve şefkat gerekiyor Bertha'ya sadece! Ve inanç! O bunu sonuna kadar hakediyor. Bence bu bakış açısıyla onu uzaklaştıracak başka bir bahaneniz de olurdu zaman içinde… Bertha'nın bir daha bu ve benzeri SAÇMALIKLARI yaşamamasını diliyorum. Hatta bunları hatırlamasın bile.. ona aile olacak güzel insanlar da bol bol "daha öncekiler becerememişler, iyiki de becerememişler çünkü artık bizimle" desin..!
Laura, The issue is having kept the dog in a crate. When I viewed te pictures of Bertha and her new home, how she played and romped in the yeard, my heart was estactic. I felt happy that this pooch found a caring, loving home. Then the "camera" took a 180 degree turn………..the excitement died down for y as did the attention. I believe then you realized without all the accolades that you quite were not really willing to be a "ggod" mom to this dog. It was a convenience for a short while
Lara Sayınsoy,
As I can see you're trying to be a good mother to your child as being very protective… I'm writing this comment only for your child I hope you read it.
You are the God for your child. He thinks that what you do is always right. You are a role model for him.
Dogs can be trained in so many ways that you can't imagine. This training needs time, love and patiance. You didn't search for solutions even you have people around you who can help. Why didn't you try? Is this protecting your child or showing your son a mother who is selfish and have no responsibility.
Please take a look at these photos
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2950745&…
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2950746&…
They are the photos of a girl smaller than your son who is hugging, and feeding a very hungry dog with raw food in the forests where dogs are thrown away by the municipalities to die of hunger, in Turkey we throw away the dogs and they die.
That girl has a mother also but she is not like you. The dog in the picture is a street dog bigger than Bertha… A hungry street dog in the Bolluca forest she saw for the first time. When a dog like that wants to play with her she protects herself.. Sometimes she falls down, but never affraid, so is her mother.
Two different mothers, two different children
Please think about that girl when she grows up and your child. She will be loving, helping all the animals and she will know what responsibility is. And guess what your son will be?
I never mentioned what you have done to Bertha…Poor dog… At this point I think you'll never unherstand.
This comment will have no use for Bertha, but for your child its not too late to change.
Cenk
Cenk, this is the most powerful message we have had on this blog for ages..
I clearly remember Lara saying, as were leaving her house, that it was the "in" thing to rescue a dog these days… I guess when you are attmepting to adopt because it is the fashionable thing to do, you end up dumping the animal the moment it doesn't fit within your so called "lifestyle".